Posts by Cold Steel

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1500 year old text reports Jesus not Crucified

by designs in

found in 2000 with a group of antiquity smugglers this bible contains the gospel of barnabas according to the report in the national turk.. written in aramaic this gospel account was omitted by the church during the period of the council of nicea.. the text maintains a story similar to islam regarding jesus being a great prophet.. is has a reported value of $28million and is said to be in the museum of ankara.. http://moorishharem.com/culture-detail/1500-year-old-bible-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/.

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Cold Steel

Jeffro: It is a very well established fact that 'Adam' never existed, so hinging the supposed 'ransom' (even though knowing you'll get something back after 3 days isn't really a ransom anyway) on the supposed actions of an obviously fictional character should be a clear sign to any educated person that the story about Jesus is just as fake as the whimsical folklore of Genesis.

You're correct to say that if Adam didn't exist, then Jesus would not be required to make the atonement which would bring us back to God. Where many disagree, however, is that we don't believe that it's a well established fact that Adam never existed.

Did men leave the trees for caves and evolve into hunter-gatherers? Did he go from uncivilized, uneducated and base to what he is now? Or was he created and placed on this world by a Supreme Intelligence who taught him and gave him the benefit of revelation?

If one looks at the quality and quantity of divine revelation, of prophecy that was fulfilled to the last dot and tittle, it's difficult to explain away. Daniel's vision of the empires from Babylonian to the Romans:

In chapter 2, Nebuchadnezzar dreams of a statue with body parts made of different materials, which Daniel then interprets as four kingdoms:

Head of gold Interpretation given: The Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar is the head of gold.[v.37-38]
Chest and arms of silver Interpretation given: After Nebuchadnezzar an inferior kingdom shall arise. [v.39] Medes & Persians
Belly and thighs of bronze Interpretation given: A third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. [v.39] Greeks (Alexander the Great).
Legs of iron with feet of iron and clay Interpretation given: A fourth kingdom, strong as iron. [v.40] Rome, divided into East and West
The feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, show it shall be a divided kingdom. [v.41] Emergence of nation states

God provided many such prophecies as a means of evidence that He knows the end from the beginning. Isaiah 53 is a biography of Christ many centuries before he lived and died. Biblical prophecies dictate the two destructions of the Jews and their restoration. They outlined their scattering to the nations of the world and their gathering back to the lands of their inheritance. Jacob's blessings to his sons in Genesis 49 contain many prophecies regarding the tribes, their inheritances and their being driven into the lands northward. Only Judah would hold the scepter until the coming of the Messiah, which happened exactly as prophecied. Finally, the prophets dictated what must happen in the last days. The reemergence of Israel as a nation, that it would take over barren wasteland and turn it into fountains and gardens. That it would be a "burdensome stone" for all people and that it would be attacked by its neighbors (see Zechariah 12-14 and Revelation 11) and rescued at the last moment by the returning Christ.

All these prophecies, and many more, convince me that God does exist and that "in that day when the Lord shall come, he shall reveal all things -- things which have passed, and hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth, by which it was made, and the purpose and the end thereof -- things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven." Then we'll know whether Adam was a figurative representation or an actual person. Until then, I've seen some pretty amazing things in my own life, both good and evil.

But everyone has to make up their own minds. I'm not narrow enough to think that atheists and agnostics (or Jews) go to an eternal fiery pit because of what they believe or don't believe. I believe, as the scriptures state, that men are judged on what they do. At the same time, I believe man can know the things of God, and until then, I think man was placed on the earth and that Adam most likely existed.
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Christians, this girl hit it right on the head!!

by Crazyguy in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yxineydnky&feature=player_detailpage.

Cold Steel

Well, who knows what Jesus said or if he even existed? He didn't write anything down. Heresay I tell you!

When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. --Matthew 16:13-17

Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.

And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. --John 7:14-17

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord. --James 1:5-7

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Christians, this girl hit it right on the head!!

by Crazyguy in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yxineydnky&feature=player_detailpage.

Cold Steel

It has more to do with letting Jesus be the judge. "I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive; but of you it is required to forgive all men."

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1500 year old text reports Jesus not Crucified

by designs in

found in 2000 with a group of antiquity smugglers this bible contains the gospel of barnabas according to the report in the national turk.. written in aramaic this gospel account was omitted by the church during the period of the council of nicea.. the text maintains a story similar to islam regarding jesus being a great prophet.. is has a reported value of $28million and is said to be in the museum of ankara.. http://moorishharem.com/culture-detail/1500-year-old-bible-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/.

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Cold Steel

Jesus was called the "second Adam" because as Adam brought death into the world, Jesus brought life. Adam represented corruption, while Jesus represented the spiritual. (See 1 Cor. 15) That's not to say that Jesus' body wasn't physical. He has a body of flesh and bone, but instead of blood his body is animated by spirit. Like a spirit he can pass through walls and ceilings, but he made it clear that he is a physical and perfected being of light and spirit. As he was resurrected, so will mankind; yet they will be resurrected according to various glories and abilities.

Paul writes that there are many kinds of flesh, just as there are various types of heavenly and earthly bodies. Not all are the same. "So also is the resurrection of the dead," he writes. " It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

The Jehovah's Witnesses and other Adventist sects err in thinking that spiritual_body=spirit. Thus, Jesus was resurrected a spirit. But Jesus clearly indicated he was not a spirit. Adam and Eve had no glory or power in their bodies, and had they not transgressed, they would have been cursed to have immortal bodies without the potential of growth that Jesus provided.

Given Paul's initial hatred of the Christians and his subsequent conversion, I don't think he would have been chosen of the Lord to lead them astray. He had some strong Jewish views, but he was able to grasp Jesus' role in Jewish tradition and prophecy. He and the other apostles (except John) all died violent deaths for what they believed and taught. That's always impressed me.

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All things have been fulfilled

by themaccauk11 in

its plain as day what jesus said was to those people standing in fornt of him and it was for one generation only .the prophecies were not about the end of the world but the end of the old jewish system of things.

why do people today since the 1700s put themselves in the shoes of the ones jesus was talking to.

i quote "trtuly i tell you, some of you standing here will not die until you see the son of man coming in his kingdom".

Cold Steel

The generation being discussed is most likely the generation in which the things Jesus is speaking about would happen. At least that's what many futurist theologians have long concluded. Complicating the exegeses is the fact that much of the New Testament is not exactly how it appears in many translations. As one scholar stated: "Much of the New Testament is in barbaric Greek, and the ancient pagans often jeered at the illiteracy and bad grammar of the Disciples; yet in our English Bible their grammar is meticulously correct. Is that an indication of skullduggery? No more than the poor grammar of the ancient Apostles was proof that they were not inspired."

In the case of Matthew 24, we have a number of things the Lord specifically mentons, beginning with the battle of Armageddon. Forget everything the Jehovah's Witnesses teach regarding Armageddon. The Lord is speaking of the last great confrontation between Judah and its enemies:

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This is the battle of Gog and Magog, a time when Judah's enemies will descend upon them with great force. We know by reading Ezekiel 38-39 that this will happen after the Jews have been scattered to the ends of the earth and then gathered back into the lands of their inheritance. That couldn't possibly happen in that generation. The Romans drove the Jews out Judea and they were scattered throughout the world. Then, in the late 1800s, the Lord "set his hand again" to recover his people. (See Isaiah 11:11-12: " And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people.... And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.") Look how many years it took for that to happen!

Then, getting back to the grammar issue, Young's Literal Translation renders the "this generation" passage thus:

As you can see, there's some question as to what's being said here. We also know that many unauthorized changes were made by later scribes. Many atheists cite Matthew 24:34 to prove that Jesus issued a false prophecy; however, the prophecies did come to pass; just not in one generation.

Ezekiel writes:

After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations .... (38:8)
So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord , the Holy One in Israel. (39:7)
And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. (39:21)
... the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward. (39:22)
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me; therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword. According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them. (39:23-24)
When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations. (39:27)

By examining the above, you can place the time of this battle. This is not the battle at the end of the Millennium by the same name. Perhaps the Lord meant that in the generation in which these things happen, they will all be fulfilled. From history, we know the Jews were scattered throughout the nations. Then, generations later, they began gathering back to Judea in increasing numbers. Israel was formed in a day, and Judah is still gathering there. At some point in the future, I suspect Gog will establish a power base in Turkey and ally itself with other Islamic nations. Once, it was a moderate country with a moderate military structure; however, it has been sliding quickly towards a religious base. Whether Russia or Turkey will be where the Beast comes from, I have no idea.

Anyway, if one simply removes the one passage about the generation in which these things occur, the prophecies make much better sense.

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All things have been fulfilled

by themaccauk11 in

its plain as day what jesus said was to those people standing in fornt of him and it was for one generation only .the prophecies were not about the end of the world but the end of the old jewish system of things.

why do people today since the 1700s put themselves in the shoes of the ones jesus was talking to.

i quote "trtuly i tell you, some of you standing here will not die until you see the son of man coming in his kingdom".

Cold Steel

I meant to post this above, but the copy and paste feature didn't work:

Ezekiel 39

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All things have been fulfilled

by themaccauk11 in

its plain as day what jesus said was to those people standing in fornt of him and it was for one generation only .the prophecies were not about the end of the world but the end of the old jewish system of things.

why do people today since the 1700s put themselves in the shoes of the ones jesus was talking to.

i quote "trtuly i tell you, some of you standing here will not die until you see the son of man coming in his kingdom".

Cold Steel

Sorry...I can't buy into the preterist theology. There is too many prophecies that remain unfulfilled. Armageddon has not yet occurred. The Jews were to be scattered according to not only the Old Testament, but the New. And after being scattered, they were to be gathered back to the lands of their inheritance. According to prophecy, the enemies of Judah would be those "round about" them, a situation that did not exist until our day. Israel today is surrounded by enemies who have sworn their destruction. (See Ezekiel 38-39; Zechariah 12-14; Revelation 11) The scriptures thus say that the beast of Revelation, also known as "the Assyrian" and "Gog," would make war with the holy ones (Judah) and would overcome them. But just as Judah faced certain destruction, the Savior would return and rescue them. His feet at that day would stand on the Mount of Olives, which will cleave in twain, and the Jews would flee into the valley thereof. Then the Jews will ask him, "What are these wounds in thy hands?" And he will reply, "These are the wounds I received in the house of my friends."

Then will the Jews realize that their Messiah was the one they knew as Jesus of Nazareth, and then they will go into mourning. But in the "brightness" of his coming, he will destroy all but a sixth of those who came against Jerusalem. The Jews will them usher him into the temple through the East Gate, which will then be sealed forever. And it will take the inhabitants that are left seven years to burn the weapons of the beast. And as bodies are discovered, they will be tagged for burial. But before then, the wild animals and fowl will strip the flesh from the bones of the dead, and God said he would call them to the great feast of the Lord.

There are many other prophecies that remain, as yet, unfulfilled. So it's not over til the fat lady sings!

Ezekiel 38

Ezekiel 39

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Trinitarians! Who is Jesus Christ's father the Holy Spirit or the Father?

by booker-t in

this is one question that trinitarians try to avoid because they have created a very embarrassing problem.

the bible is very clear when the angel tells mary that holy spirit will overshadow her and she will become pregnant.

the angel does not say the father will overshadow her but the holy spirit will and if the holy spirit is a person that would make him the father of jesus.

Cold Steel

The angel does not say the Father will overshadow her but the Holy Spirit will and if the Holy Spirit is a person that would make him the father of Jesus.

I'm not a trinitarian, but I believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three individuals.

So in what way is the Father the "father" of Jesus Christ (Yahweh)? To answer this, we have to determine what makes someone a father of someone else. In short, it's the seed. Today it's possible for a person to give birth to someone without ever meeting the father. But the technician who places the seed in a woman is hardly the father. In the same way, the Holy Spirit is not the father of Jesus.

Anciently, when prophets like Moses saw God, they were first overshadowed by the Holy Spirit; otherwise, they would not be able to survive the experience. Not only did Moses speak to Yahweh "face to face," seventy of the elders of Israel, along with Moses, Aaron and Joshua, saw God and dined in his presence. The rest of Israel had the same opportunity, but they were afraid and told Moses that he should be God's intercessor.

In some way no one understands, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary while the seed was transferred to her womb. But the seed was not that of the Holy Spirit, but that of the Father. Jesus existed as Jehovah in the Old Testament, during which he served as the intercessor between the Father and man. As the resurrected Jesus, he continues to be man's advocate with the Father. He is one in purpose with the Father, and thus when he prayed concerning the apostles, he said, "...that THEY may be ONE, even as WE are ONE." There was ONE quorum comprised of twelve members, just as there is ONE God comprised of multiple members. (We assume it's three, but we don't know everything about God.) If there are hundreds of billions of other universes besides ours, the oneness of God may comprise more, who knows? That has not been fully revealed.

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1500 year old text reports Jesus not Crucified

by designs in

found in 2000 with a group of antiquity smugglers this bible contains the gospel of barnabas according to the report in the national turk.. written in aramaic this gospel account was omitted by the church during the period of the council of nicea.. the text maintains a story similar to islam regarding jesus being a great prophet.. is has a reported value of $28million and is said to be in the museum of ankara.. http://moorishharem.com/culture-detail/1500-year-old-bible-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/.

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Cold Steel

The notion that Jesus wasn't crucified originally came from the gnostics, who believed that all matter is corrupt and that perfection could only be realized in the spirit. Jesus dying on the cross, in their minds (and in the minds of Muslims), would have been a failure on the part of God...and God doesn't make mistakes or have failures. So a number of traditions arose. One is that God did an end run around those who sought the death of Jesus. He turned the tide on them by making Judas look like Jesus, and spiriting Jesus away. Thus, the Romans crucified Judas while Jesus, unseen, laughed at them and their folly.

Of course this was heresy to the apostles and disciples, who taught that Jesus died for the sins of mankind (see Isa. 53) and was resurrected three days after his crucifixion, and that Judas committed suicide. The so-called Infancy Gospel, where Jesus, as a boy, cursed everyone who got in his way, and learned restraint as he grew older, also was popular reading and despite the fact it was a complete forgery, it found its way into the Qur'an along with the gnostic teachings. In fact, that's one of the "gotcha" points that prove the Qur'an is fiction. In fact, the author of the Infancy Gospel may have simply been writing it as a fictional account, even though it was very popular in Christian circles.

The bottom line is that the story of Jesus not being crucified is nothing new. Many saw the fall of Adam and Eve as being a failure on the part of God. Then, if Jesus' enemies succeeded in killing him, then that, too, would have been a failure. The Greek Orthodox position is that Adam and Eve were supposed to fall. For only by so doing could Jesus not only give them immortality, but "Eternal Life," as esoteric term meaning not immortality, but immortality with God, and co-inheritors with Christ. Thus, everything that Jesus became would be gained by everyone gaining Eternal Life. Thus, the fall and the resurrection were inseparately linked as a springboard to something that Adam and Eve never could have achieved on their own.

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Witnessing to a Theologian

by exWTslave in

when i found my fellow traveler reading theology today magazine, my pioneer spirit acted.

i started witnessing to him without knowing he was a professor of theology.

he patiently listened to me.

Cold Steel

Hey, I only post my opinion like anyone else. Other opinions may vary.